#How did you get the idea that I am pro endos

[circular-bircular]

I think most Hallucingenic Systems already know they have another disorder that caused the hallucinations that became and/or are indistinguishable from headmates. Usually some form of psychosis.

Maybe if it feels like you're being ignored, it's because you're giving unsolicited advice about things that they already know and therefore isn't helpful to them. Maybe it's different in servers you're in, but every Hallucingenic system I know already has an idea where their hallucinations come from and wouldn't benefit from being told they need to look into other disorders.

It’s different in the servers I’m in, straight up, and I’m kinda genuinely offended how the immediate response to “would you all listen to me if I wasn’t a CDD system” was “well stop giving unsolicited advice!!” (Side note: not just this anon. I deleted two other anons accusing me of ‘trying to convince endos they’re traumagenic’ because of this.)

It is solicited. It’s system spaces, spaces I am allowed to be in and encouraged to be in, where people are saying “somethings wrong and I need help.” It’s people seeking advice about what’s normal — and people automatically jump on the Validation train, rather than acknowledging the problems inherent to, you guessed it, having problems.

I’m not saying the system in question IS hallucinegenic. I’m saying a system is experiencing hallucinations, and rather than people going “here’s resources on how to find help for that,” they’re going “that’s valid and you’re amazing, here’s resources on what hallucinogenic means!!!”

If I say “hey, as a DID system, it’s not completely unheard of to have hallucinations with this disorder, but you really should get that checked out or discuss that with someone, it could be more serious than systemhood-“ I’m spoken over because I’m a DID system (I.e. inherently sysmed to most of the people I speak to, hence why I had to fucking reclaim the insult just to function in proendo spaces again).

I don’t feel ignored because I’m misstepping. I’m feeling ignored because there’s a very real problem in pro-endo spaces of ignoring CDD systems. That was the point of the post.

[histronic-gizmo]

Hey dont use the term introject if ur endo. Like no offense and everything but it's a medical term for DID/OSDD alters from an external source.

Plus it gets in introject tags which are predominantly anti-endo. Just a heads-up

No offense, but don't assume shit about me. My system is traumagenic.

Medical term or not, it is a useful word to describe an experience a lot of plural systems have. But if it helps you sleeps at night, I'll say introtive instead. Just kidding, I don't care what you think.

Introject isn't even exclusive to systems. Singlets introject stuff, it just become part of them instead of a seperate person/alter. Your gatekeeping is bullshit.

I don't like talking about system stuff because of shit like this, people start assuming they know how my brain works.

I am pro endo, this doesn't mean I *am* endo. Endogenic systems can use introject if they want. Introtive matches with fictive and factive if they prefer, it's up to them. These words exist to help explain an experience, it doesn't make sense to force someone with a very similar experience to use a slightly different word.

Introject - Unconsciously adopt the ideas or attitudes of others

Or in plural terms

Introject - An alter, headmate or system member that comes from an external source

Introtive - An alter, headmate or system member that comes from an external source

So instead of worrying about my vocabulary when I make a silly little post about my system once in a blue moon, why don't we focus on destigmatizing DID and OSDD, hm? Gtfo.

[none-gender-left-man]

Anti endos are hilarious bc theyll accuse anyone who supports endos of being one and I'm sitting here, knowing I was "diagnosed" (incorrectly with DID when I do not have DID actually) at 15-- and I am traumagenic. Idk how to tell y'all system origin doesn't make me better than any other plural person and I'm not gonna tell anyone their ND traits are "fake" because they present different? Wtf is wrong w y'all, for real.

Being seen by a psych did me no good other than getting me abused by the system I submitted myself to. Do anti endos have no idea what it's like for people in rural places that may have one psych clinic worth seeing for a hundred miles? Do y'all not know what it's like to be working with literally nothing to help you except others like you online?

I'm equally confused as to how some anti endos claim to be pro-self dx based on this behavior. How can you be okay with self determined diagnosis (which IS good-) but then make harassing an entire neurodivergent class your hobby because they "annoy you" and YOU "think" they're "harmful".

That'd be like if autistic folks like me decided to start harassing people w ADHD en masse bc they don't have exact 1-1 experiences or vis versa. Yet? These VERY DIFFERENT communities predominantly foster solidarity, because they recognize their STRENGTH IN NUMBERS.

You guys make my head hurt. I cannot imagine making my whole personality about attacking, belittling, insulting, and "disproving" a marginalized ND group just for being "alike" to me but "too different to be real".

You're not more worthy of help than any other demographic of ND ppl.

Don't call yourself psychpunk or any variation if you play the blame game against other obviously neurodivergent people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[syscurse]

Another rant :/

At times, I’m reminded of when I was told my existence is too triggering for the plural community. It was by some of the loudest self-proclaimed radical “system inclusionists” at the time. My system, the way I am, the way I talk about myself, and the way I choose to exist was too triggering they said. “People like you shouldn’t be allowed to talk in the plural community. At least put a trigger warning on your posts,” they said. Like...all of my posts. Just because I’m me. Because I have traumagenic DID and fusions and my system likes to be called parts.

Telling me to slap a trigger warning over my existence or get tf out of the community...how can they even call themselves inclusionists?!

Stick with me here, because I’m not the only one this has happened to. I want to show you just how common this is.

I’ve seen so many people like me get dogpiled by "inclusionists” like this. They get harassed until they either conform to the “inclusionist’s” narrow-minded idea of plurality or they have to leave the community for their own safety. Remember when multiplicityandme share about her fusion and got harassed by “system inclusionists” until she deactivated her twitter? Remember when calioninspires said they received the worst of harassment from their own community only after fully fusing? Literally look for any person who talks about fusion (if they still feel brave enough to do so) and they’ve probably received harassment at some point--from people who proudly identify as “inclusionists” or “pro-endo.”

How many times do I have to see people receive anon hate for using parts language, or be dehumanized for being a fusion, or be told that their recovery choices are comparable to murder, or be called a sysmed for medicalizing their own experiences? And then how many times do I have to see people say “oh, get over yourself! that doesn’t happen!” or “only a small amount of people do that, but we don’t support them!”

If you don’t support them, why are these fake “inclusionists” some of the most popular ones out there?!?!

I’m not going to name them because I don’t want drama but the "inclusionist” who told me, to my (virtual) face, that I was TOO TRIGGERING to belong in the plural community simply because I was a fusion, has more followers than the population of the freaking town I live in (and it’s a large town). They’re really popular.

This isn’t to say that self-proclaimed exclusionists don’t do this same shit too, they DO and they’re annoying as hell. But it doesn’t frustrate me nearly as much as the people who loudly shout that they’re supportive and inclusive of ALL plurals, but then the second your experience or the way you talk about it is even a little bit different from theirs, they become more exclusionary than even the most radical anti-endos I’ve ever seen.

This just makes me question how much “inclusion” is really, truly valued by the community. There are so many people out there who aren’t as inclusive as they say. They just want themselves to be included and it doesn’t go much further beyond that.

[sleepy-shutin]

hope it’s ok for me to rant to you lmao but i feel like 99% of syscourse bloggers on both sides fundamentally understand how studies statistics diagnostic criteria etc work. and i’m not saying those things are perfect at all but if you’re going to get into discourse about it you should probably at least understand it on a basic level ykwim. especially studies because no one interprets them in the right way in syscourse, which is understandable because a lot of them have very academic style writing and formatting and can unfortunately just be generally inaccessible, but if you don’t know what they’re saying and why then don’t act like you do is my point. i see a lot of pro endos toss around the same few studies that they say prove endogenic or tulpa related plurality, but all of the ones i’ve read are just like, the bare bones of a study that are meant to be built off of, aka essentially just surveying a group of people and saying “yeah these people say they experience this.” on the anti endo side of things, i’ve noticed a lot of them throwing around brain scan and TOSD related studies saying they inherently disprove endogenic plurality, but those studies were also conducted with strictly DID and OSDD in mind and not endogenic plurality, which would probably have to be studied completely separately. also that goes for pro endos because a lot of them try to shoehorn endogenic plurality into the DIDOSDD criteria and shit when it’s inherently going to be different lol. anyways even then a few studies into it aren’t going to prove anything, it could probably take a decade to come to any sort of conclusive scientific agreement on endos, and even then studies and their findings are very very rarely, if ever, treated as irrefutable proof. and i think a lot of people need to realize that they themselves can spread misinformation and it’s not just ableist singlets that do that, which is kind of a whole can of worms entirely but just because you have DIDOSDD or you identity as an endogenic system that doesn’t mean you inherently know how to read scientific papers and aren’t immune to bias when reading them.

no no, you're onto something. i think few people in syscourse know how to use sources or even what they're saying as well. because a lot of these people aren't super educated on DID itself, haven't read a lot of books about it, and aren't familiar with academic language.

not that i'm by any means an expert, i've been stuck trying to read the same book for several months now because i've been struggling to find the motivation, and am trying to stick to my "one book at a time" method, (though, i'll probably just have to give up and read multiple books at once anyways lmao). but like jesus christ.

the reason i'm not really "anti endo" in that i disbelieve in endogenic plurality is precisely because there aren't any actual studies proving or disproving the experience wholly for me to base an opinion off of--though, the communities i'm generally pretty unhappy with, lol. all we have are barebones ideas and surveys, and then a bunch of poorly done speculation by that one tulpa who MUST be in wonderland if she thinks half the sources she's using actually say what she thinks they're saying, lmao.

it's also a huge reason i'm burnt out on syscourse and just don't really care to argue about whether endos exist or not. i don't care. live your life, dog.

it's as markiplier once said: you do you, and i'll do me, and we won't do each other. probably.

[tarnished-angelcoric]

INTRO

Hello! You can refer to us as Angel, and our collective pronouns are they/them. I am a DID system just trying to find healing and community, and to feel a little bit less like a freak in a world that’s already hurt us so deeply. Our body is 23 years old; we are employed and not in school. We are physically disabled and have mental illnesses other than DID; you may see me talk about how these different factors interact. I am professionally diagnosed and in therapy; educated self-DX is welcome and supported here!

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[sysmedsaresexist]

@thelunastusco do you have a source for that? Because I sure have one hell of a source for you guys.

First off, two things out of the way.

Firstly, it is extremely common for DID/OSDD systems to not display symptoms until much later in life, despite the disorder developing in childhood. That is literally the normal course of the disorder.

Onset of symptoms can begin at ANY AGE despite the mechanisms for the disorder being developed in childhood. This is discussed in the vast majority of research into DID. The DSM and ICD both talk about it. Stop acting like this isn't normal.

Second, we know what happens when less significant trauma happens in childhood to interrupt integration, or when trauma happens later. You get BPD, CPTSD, PTSD, or any of the other disorders that follow that course. This isn't something new or revolutionary. We already know the answer to this.

Now, veterans.

I'm assuming we're referring to this article, and there's a good reason @thelunastusco didn't actually link it.

Let's talk about the article first, and then the author.

Out of 68 veteran patients, only two displayed self-reported symptoms of MPD. Neither was diagnosed and only self reported symptoms (which upon reading the article, sounds a lot more like PTSD experiences).

Another veteran was referenced:

"There has been one published case of a Vietnam veteran with clearly diagnosed MPD. Ludwig and associates (1972) reported on Jonah, who first formed a violent alternate personality in childhood."

So that one doesn't count, and he doesn't really talk about the first two after that.

Remember, at the time of this article, PTSD dissociative subtype wasn't an option. This article discusses the relationship between dissociation and PTSD back when it was still called MPD. This is old news. The article finishes with:

No investigator has previously reported MPD in Vietnam combat veterans caused exclusively by their combat experiences; but the high frequency of dissociative symptoms and even occasional occurrences of MPD in Vietnam veterans attests that there may be more cases than is generally believed.

He's not wrong, but he's not right, either. Dissociation and PTSD are VERY intertwined. These days we know that children in military families are often traumatized and suffer from extreme disorganized attachments (now known to be the primary indicator of DID/OSDD), and then they go and join the army and the cycle continues.

It also really doesn't support the idea of endogenic systems, either, because even if they did have MPD, the Vietnam war was EXTREMELY traumatic. It was one of the worst. This doesn't prove systems can form after a certain age, but it proves trauma does HORRIBLE things to the mind.

As well, it's saying pretty clearly that DID is a more severe form of PTSD, which is something I think every loud pro-endo has decided is sysmed logic.

The final paragraph of the article is even like, "no one has said this before, but I'm saying it now."

The entire article is purely speculative with no real backing, and we'll learn more about why it was written when we look at the author.

Also, it's hilarious to me how often he uses himself as a reference.

It's also entirely possible that this is discussing an early idea of OSDD 2, identity confusion due to indoctrination and coersion. I don't think anyone is going to argue that there's several elements of brainwashing involved in joining the military, and it's very frequently noted in veterans that once they're discharged, they're left very confused about who they are and what they're meant to do next. The article even talks about this phenomenon, "the killer inside". Veterans have always spoken about feeling of self worth coming out of the military, and "who am I without my gun? What is my purpose?"

Here's an article critiquing Brende's, and here's what it very politely says in response:

The essential difference between the severe PTSD resulting from combat and classic childhood onset AII'D may not lie in the extent of switching and the functional dynamics of alter states, but rather in the degree of elaboration of separate personalities and their fantasized attributes. This can be understood in terms of the fact that the traumatized child relies on the developmentally- appropriate fantasy defense, and has more years during which to elaborate different personalities before presenting for treatment. The dissociative traumatized adult may have comparable splitting between components of experience as described by Braun (1988) (Behavior, Affect, Sensation, Knowledge) without elaboration of ego states to the extent seen in full "personalities." This observation is not meant to blur the distinction between PTSD and MPD, but rather to emphasize the extent of dissociative sequelae possible following adult or late adolescent trauma, and to suggest that the MPD model may be useful in approaching some PTSD clients. Further research is needed to clarify the utility of this model and innate and environmental factors which lead to similarities between severe adult-onset PTSD and MPD.

So the statement that there are veterans "who got DID as a result of their service" is flat out unsupported and unproven.

Now, onto the author.

He's most well known for "The James Tapes", recorded video sessions of one of his patients with MPD-- a veteran (shocking).

He handed these tapes over to a production company without the clients' consent and continues to profit off them to this day, and from a book he's just released in 2021 about the tapes.

"Dr. Brende’s video recordings of the patient James were featured on ABC’s 20/20 which aired a special program in 1994 on multiple personality disorder. People who learned about that 20/20 special have asked how the James’ Tapes were selected. “I was first contacted by ABC producer Stanhope Gould. who turned up at my office on a Friday afternoon in June 1983 and told me he had heard that I had videotapes of a patient with multiple personalities.  I agreed to let him view a dozen video cassettes I selected and he left the hospital four hours later with a full duffel bag and promised to return them safely. (There were no federal laws at that time protecting patient information from public view.)  Mr. Gould later called to tell me that he had selected the tapes he needed and the 20/20 special about multiple personalities was shown on July 7, 1984.”"

This is from his about page. How bad does it have to be that that's your introduction? "Before you even ask, I reject all wrongdoing!"

You can read about the James Tapes here. Don't stand in the line of fire, he's really stroking it.

It wasn't until after this that he wrote these articles about veterans, likely to garner more interest.

I don't think people really realize that systems are like. people. not really something that exists to fit in a binary to make discourse easier

Like sure CDDs are heavily associated with trauma, but then you have systems in real life who get diagnosed with them regardless of their trauma because that's the only thing in the DSM-V for plurality. Endogenic and no-trauma also aren't synonymous, you can absolutely be a system before trauma.

There's also just this obsession with making a ridged binary between trauma-based and not-trauma based that makes no sense. What about a system that's endogenic that went through trauma and now experiences dissociative amnesia? I know systems like that and sometimes you can't functionally tell the difference between them and a purely trauma-based systems. You also got trauma-based systems who don't have DID/OSDD or don't substantially struggle with plurality. Especially if it was a little t trauma that caused a system.

Plus like... there just flat out are systems who became systems after the cutoff age. The cutoff age is arbitrary and doesn't take into account developmental disabilities and like there are case studies that involve systems that formed at 13 and one at 31 that I know off the top of my head. You can say "but psychology says this" but that kind of doesn't work when there are systems going about their lives that go against it.

I'm also confused about the whole "theory of structural dissociation means endogenics aren't real thing", I don't like the ToSD because of the creator of it and the circumstance, but couldn't anything interrupt selves integration? like developmental disorders or childhood mental illness, or just anything that results in a delay in development?

Like almost all syscourse and broad generalizations fall apart once you start to think of systems as just human beings. Psychology as a whole also tends to dehumanize us already as is, and I feel like that might be seeping into the way people on the internet as a whole talk about us. You can spend all your time in a textbook reading only the most scientifically reputable websites you can, but it doesn't help you at all when you want to get to know how someone really is.

(plus I've seen studies that if you look at them you can tell the researchers are just trying to force their own interpretations of things and it's. hard to read.)

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[boxyladies]

I was watching an Emily Noel video, and the topic was if something happened to your makeup collection – if it was destroyed/stolen, etc. (echoing Emily’s moment of silence) – what would be the first 10 products you would buy? I thought that was such a great topic and it got me thinking about the first 10 things I would re-buy.

And recently, we have had some major damage to our house due to SQUIRRELS. They have caused plumbing damage, electrical damage, and damage to the ceiling in our garage. Now that they have staked a claim in our house, I can only assume my makeup collection is next. Honestly, they weren’t even scared when some repairmen were right in their faces. They didn’t run. They just sat there, staring. At one point, one made eye contact with Matt. They mean business. And now that they know about me, they are going to go after Jill and take all of her makeup, too. So Jill – you should really be thinking about what you’d replace right away so you can be prepared for this inevitable problem.

Emily went mostly the drugstore route, but I have to admit… most of my products are not drugstore. But I wanted to try to find a drugstore version for some of the products I am choosing, just for fun. There are just a few things that I do not know of a drugstore equivalent, but I think I can do it for most of my items. So let’s do this.

  First things first… foundation (1). I have fallen in love with my Too Faced Peach Perfect Comfort Matte Foundation in Porcelain ($36). I love it because it’s not too heavy or too matte but it doesn’t break up around my nose midday, so it’s a win. However, if I needed to pick a drugstore version, I would go for the L’Oreal Pro-Matte in Classic Ivory ($12.99).

To finish up my face, I need two powders (2 & 3). I realize I’m extra, it’s just what I do. So, the first thing I use is the smallest bit of Laura Mercier Translucent Loose Setting Powder ($23) to set around my nose to ensure my foundation doesn’t break up. Since I don’t use this all over my face, I use the small travel size, and it will last me a long time. Then I use the Hourglass Ambient Lighting Palette ($62) with a big brush to sort of set/finish all of my face besides my nose. This is the one product that I don’t know of a drugstore dupe for. I actually dropped mine on my bathroom floor last year and it tragically broke. I immediately ordered another one. Like, I did not wait even one day. If I was going to use a drugstore version of the setting powder, I think I would try the Maybelline Fit Me Loose Finishing Powder ($7.99.) Do y’all know of a drugstore version of the Hourglass palette? Let me know.

Next, I am going for brows (4). I went far too long without doing my brows, and now my face just looks so weird when I see myself in old pictures. Y’all know my go-to is Glossier Boy Brow ($16). But as I mentioned in this blog, the Essence Make Me Brow ($2.99) is pretty good, too. I like the applicator of the Boy Brow better, but for $3, I think I could live.

Mascara (5) is probably the product I would buy next. I am loving a new mascara, but I think if I was re-stocking my collection, I would go with my tried and true Too Faced Better Than Sex ($23). I don’t own one right now, as I am playing with a few others, but if I was going with drugstore, I would obvs go with L’Oreal Lash Paradise ($9.99).

Y’all know I love eyeshadow (6) and I think I would pretty immediately buy the Morphe Jaclyn Hill palette ($38). It has all of the colors I would need for weeks and weeks, If I only had this palette for awhile, I would be just fine… until I could get more. I feel like $38 is a pretty fair price – almost drugstore- for the amount of shadows you get. However, if I needed to go True Drugstore, I would get this SophXMakeup Revolution 24 Eyeshadow Palette ($15). I have been eyeballing that palette for awhile actually, since I have heard the quality is really nice, not to mention I do occasionally watch SophDoesNails, who is the Influencer who collaborated with Makeup Revolution on this palette. It has a ton of shades you could use for every day but also several pops of color. It looks very versatile and honestly, I might just buy it.

I have to go back and finish my face, so I would actually re-purchase another Hourglass palette, the Ambient Diffused Light Palette. And as I’m looking it up, I am discovering it doesn’t exist anymore: It looks like the Diffused Light palette I already mentioned on the outside (which is why I had to mark mine with nail polish because I have opened the wrong palette too many times) except it has a shade to set under your eyes, a blush and a bronzer. It’s the perfect palette and now I am going to treat it like it is a tiny baby since it has gone extinct. It was a Nordstrom exclusive and it is so good. Now I have NO IDEA WHAT I WOULD BUY. WHY IS LIFE THIS HARD.

I will have to come back to that but I know for sure I need highlight (7) so I would buy the Colourpop In-Nude-Endo palette ($18). It is honestly the most perfect highlight palette in existence, and since it’s $18 for 6 highlighters, I think that counts as a drugstore price also. I used that highlighter palette when I was self-tanned on my cruise. I used it on my face and body and as my tan faded, I had color options for all the varying colors of my body. (It was a weird week.)

OK, I have calmed down about that Hourglass palette situation. I know I would need a bronzer (8) and I would want to get my bougie bronzer aka the Marc Jacobs O!Mega bronzer but ONLY in Tan-Tastic. It was a limited edition shade last year but it was so popular, they are bringing it back. (THANK GOD WHAT WOULD I HAVE DONE.) It’s not back yet, but it’s coming, I promise. The greatest thing about this bronzer is that I’ve used it every day for a year and you can still barely tell I’ve used it. There is no kickback whatsoever, to the point where I am like, is there any bronzer on my brush? But there is. This color is perfect as it’s not super orange-y warm and it’s not too grey-cool. It’s perfect.

If I had to go for a drugstore version, I would try the Physician’s Formula Butter Bronzer ($8.99). Jill (and the world at large) have told me how great it is, so I would definitely try that.

As for blush, I prefer the Hourglass Ambient Light blushes, but I would really want a whole blush palette (9), as one blush wouldn’t work for all occasions. So I think I would go for this BH Cosmetics Nude Blush 10 Color Blush Palette (which I do own – it’s bomb and it happens to be $6 right now. That’s right. $6 for 10 blushes.)

Finally. I would need a lip product (10), and I think if I could only have one lip product, I would splurge a little bit and pick up the Fenty Gloss Bomb ($18). I own this and it’s amazing. It is a universal color so it really isn’t super pigmented. It just makes my lips look shiny and juicy and that would work with any look I would create out of the products I have chosen above.

There were a couple products I couldn’t get in my ten when I couldn’t re-buy my Hourglass palette. And honestly, I think I might knock out the Laura Mercier powder for the Bare Minerals Round the Clock Intense Cream-Glide Eyeliner in Midnight. I am also missing a concealer… and I honestly don’t know what concealer I would buy, as my favorite one is by The Brand The Must Not Be Named, and since I no longer buy from them, I need to figure out a different solution. And I’ll be testing a few things over the next few months, but if the squirrels got all my makeup, I would stick with the products above over a new concealer.

So what about y’all? What would be the first 10 products you would re-buy if the squirrels came after YOU? Tell me in the comments. And Jill – you know what to do.

Xo, Lauren

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If I Had To Replace My Makeup… (Lauren Edition) I was watching an Emily Noel video, and the topic was if something happened to your makeup collection - if it was destroyed/stolen, etc.

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Playing Diabetes Hookie

I have an appointment with my endocrinologist next week. And dear God, I do not want to go.

Here's the thing: I know my A1c has gone up. Life got a little complicated over the holiday season, and I never managed to snag that Dexcom CGM like I had planned (although it's still on my wish list). I have a pretty good idea of where my A1c is sitting at right now and let's just say, it's not pretty. On top of that, I know what I need to do to manage my diabetes...

I've had better A1cs before. In the past, I've dropped more than a full percent between appointments. I know what I did to get there. I know that to tackle my diabetes properly I need to: test frequently, do my basal tests, exercise regularly and slowly step away from the Starbucks Marshmallow Dream Bars (or at least finally figure out how many carbs are in one!). When your job is writing about diabetes and when you've had diabetes for three-quarters of your life, after awhile, you just know what you need to do.

It's the doing that is the problem. But that's not even what this post is about.

For the past few days, I've been weighing the pros and cons of keeping my endocrinologist appointment. My main cons here are that: 1) altogether, a single appointment takes about 3 hours of my time (getting there, being there, and going home), and 2) my endo isn't going to tell me anything I don't already know (see above). So it seems like a waste of time.

The pros of going are... Well, there's consistency. I've never skipped an endo appointment before in my life, and I feel like this could tarnish some kind of record of mine. Besides, I like my endo. She's nice, and she never makes me feel guilty. She never judges me. But I also think that if I use the "Life is just getting in the way" excuse one more time, her head may explode. Or maybe my head will explode from saying it yet again.

I have never found that knowing my A1c result is much of a motivator. As much as I try to not to let it get to me, if my A1c goes down, I feel good about myself and if it goes up, I feel bad about myself. That's not motivation, that's judgment. Right now, my meter average is already making me feel pretty crappy, and having the final judgment of an A1c come down on me just doesn't sound appealing.

It's true that for me, finding out my A1c tells me whether or not my evaluation of my diabetes management matches reality. Meter averages don't take into consideration things like post-prandial spikes, overtreating low blood sugars, or the dawn phenomenon, so if you're thinking you're doing great, your A1c will tell you just how accurate that is. But I know that I'm not doing great, and I don't need a little slip of paper with a "bad grade" to emphasize the point.

While I've been thinking about the pros and cons of keeping my endo appointment, I've been giving more thought as to why we repeatedly go to the endocrinologist in the first place. Here are a list of reasons I created:

1) To find out whether or not you're doing as well (or as poorly?) as you think you are (I'm doing as bad as I think I am, trust me)

2) To get physically examined — heart rate, blood pressure, feet (Possibly a motivation, though I've always done well on these parameters)

3) To discuss blood sugar management strategies, and discuss any new meds or devices that may be needed (We discussed what I need to do at my last appointment, and I, um... haven't done them yet...)

4) To get emotional support and encouragement (My endo is great for this, but I get plenty of support from the DOC!)

5) Getting prescriptions for things (Most of my prescriptions I either already have, or my endo calls into the pharmacy)

Am I missing anything? What do you get out of an endo appointment? What makes it feel worthwhile? If you've ever felt like "calling in sick" to the doctor's, but went anyway, I would love to hear what your motivation is. Because right now, I've got nothing...

A good friend suggested that I just reschedule the appointment for later in the Spring, to give me a chance to re-prioritize diabetes and then check in on my diabetes progress later. I can't help but feel a bit guilty (there's that word again!) for skipping out on my doctor's appointment. Would postponing just be procrastinating on facing all the stuff I haven't been doing — knowing that I'll find myself in this exact same predicament in a couple of months?

I feel like I'm making a bunch of lame excuses, but I'm also wondering if there are times when a doctor's appointment is actually less beneficial than advertised. Is playing diabetes hookie always a bad thing?

Update: Thank you all for your thoughtful comments! You made some excellent points and gave me a lot to think about. After giving it a lot of consideration, I decided to reschedule my endocrinologist appointment. I have it now scheduled for May 1st. You can look for another update in early May! Thanks again!

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[justanothersyscourse]

I have a couple things to say about this post that I hope you'll consider and take away into future conversations.

First, I sort of like the idea, so let's get that out of the way. It's cute, fun, a way to break the ice. No complaints. I might have even considered a proper response, but... I feel as though you've gone about this in the wrong way...?

Your post feels like it's pretending that everyone just needs to be more open and willing to listen, but at several points throughout, you directly imply that anti endos, specifically, are the problem, and in doing so, defeat the purpose of the exercise. You'll get no responses from anti endos with the wording you've chosen, because it shows that you don't fully grasp the intricacies of what's being argued. It also comes off as... "More mature than you," in tone.

This part, in particular, irked me.

As if anti endos just don't know any better. It's got a... White knight, saviour feeling behind it. As if you can show us the light and magically fix the problems between the communities with friendship and kindness.

Unfortunately, I don't think you understand the actual problems that anti endos have, because at no point do you acknowledge the flaws within the pro/endo community.

Now, let me preface this with the fact that I absolutely acknowledge that there are systems who just flat out say endogenics don't exist and won't hear any words to the contrary. Those aren't the ones I'm talking about. Those tend to be young systems that are only just starting to dip their toes into syscourse (and if you know who I am and what my other blog, sysmedsaresexist, is, you can trust me-- I scour the internet on the daily specifically looking for those conversations).

I'm curious if you've ever actually had a conversation with an anti endo about WHY they're upset?

Because I'm about to lay out my problems, and I genuinely hope you'll hear me out and read until the end-- especially since one of the major problems we have is the unwillingness to listen to what DID/OSDD systems are trying to say.

So, let's start.

Like most pro/endo posts, there's no acknowledgment of the differences between systems. Instead, you've gone the route of, "we're all plural!" and therefore, we all have something in common (ignoring the fact that most DID/OSDD systems don't want to be called plural or included under the umbrella).

But most don't have anything in common, and the vast majority of DID/OSDD systems have a lot of trouble relating to endogenic experiences. This isn't a result of just not listening to each other, or fear of the unknown. It's actually a result of very real physical differences in brain structure.

DID/OSDD is a trauma based disorder. It stems from "injuries" to the brain during childhood. It's these structures and differences that allow for DID/OSDD systems to form alters and have high dissociative barriers. These injuries affect every aspect of our lives--from how we process, retain, and retrieve memories, information, and emotions, to how we perceive and react to the world around us and new experiences.

Someone without these injuries isn't going to understand the problems I have, so putting us all on the same playing field is already... Not great. We're not the same and it's ignoring the additional difficulties I would have.

This also means it's not just a matter of disordered vs nondisordered. Endogenic systems can't have DID/OSDD with this new development (and it is included in the DSM 5-TR now). Endogenic systems that experience later trauma and become disordered don't suddenly have DID/OSDD. They would have PTSD, which has different treatment methods from CPTSD (associated with DDs), and therefore most endogenic systems wouldn't even benefit from DID/OSDD recovery-focused spaces.

More importantly, endogenic spaces are more likely to be harmful to us and our recovery.

This, I think, leads into the next point. Most anti endos are upset with the amount of misinformation within the endo community about our disorder. There's a distinct feeling of being spoken over and ignored when we try to discuss these things, and even your post gives off that impression when you imply that we're the reason there's a disconnect between the communities, and not frustration with the lack of proper, correct information or acknowledgment about our experiences.

Our alters have a physical cause-- this couldn't be more different from spiritual expression or the perception and concept of the self.

Which leads into what we're "afraid" of-- which is young, vulnerable DID/OSDD systems misattributing their symptoms to something metaphysical or spiritual and prolonging getting help.

MOSTLY because of the misinformation about what it means to be disordered and have DID/OSDD. I'm going to try to be super quick with this point, I go into a lot more depth in other posts.

The DSM explains that not all disorders indicate a need for treatment and that "disorder" is not synonymous with dysfunction, but the endo community very much acts as if they are, placing a huge emphasis on how dysfunctional you need to be in order to be disordered. However, the truth of the matter is, that the DSM itself says you don't need to be dysfunctional in certain disorders.

The dysfunction criteria was added to pretty much every disorder as a "generic placeholder" and is circular and redundant, meaning "only a disorder should be diagnosed as a disorder". If you read beyond the criteria for DID, under functional consequences, it states that dysfunction in DID can range from non-existent to severe. This allows for people to maintain their diagnosis despite treatment (an example of this would be... If you go on meds for depression, you're not suddenly no longer clinically depressed, you're just managing symptoms).

In other words, you don't fluctuate in and out of disorderedness based on functionality. You're always disordered, but levels of dysfunction fluctuate.

I think it's a misunderstanding that we're showing "hatred", when the vast majority of us are showing frustration and anger. To have what we're saying twisted and downplayed to simple "hatred" is a huge disservice to our community and truly paints us in a negative light, despite having valid criticisms and issues with the comparison.

You ask what endos have done to us and why we think they're bad, but you don't acknowledge any of the behaviour that is harmful to us, or that confuses young systems trying to figure out what they're experiencing.

Did you know there was an actual plan by endogenic systems to make carrds and threads to silence anti endos and that would pointedly and purposefully avoid mentioning the DSM or DID/OSDD to new systems?

That is what we're up against.

Threads like this, that paint us as the issue and endos as peace keepers extending the olive branch, only add to the growing, mounting problems we have, and push us further away.

And yet, according to endos, we're always the problem.

EDIT: and omg, this idea that we're "suffering"-- give it a rest, endos. The only ones keeping #miserablyDID alive are endos who won't listen.

WHOO BOY ok

first off, merry christmas to everyone! christmas is technically over for us but we'll wish merriness anyway :)

if you celebrate anything else such as hanukkah, eid, yule, kwanzaa, etc then enjoy your festivities!

if you don't celebrate the festive season at all then that's okay too! we hope you simply had wonderful days this month and continue to have even better days in the coming year :) <3

ok, onto the post itself. very nervous to make this as it's a personal ramble about the topic of plurality and of our view on it which could unfortunately stir up syscourse; it feels right to make this post during the festive season though, a time where people become more connected to eachother. we aim to do that w all fellow folk in the plural community who decide to read this post and at the very least take our words into consideration; this post intends to gather plural folk of all kinds to essentially meet face to face and breaking the ice that keeps standing between so many of us all. if you do decide to read it, hi and thank you! <3

(psst, consider reblogging and resharing this to let more people read this! /nf)

CW: DISCUSSION OF FAKECLAIMING , POTENTIAL SYSCOURSE FUEL

we'll start this off with an introduction to ourselves.

hello! we're the winter lodge system (any/all prns) and we recognise ourselves to be a mixed origin system! :] unfortunately, in the plural community this means systems like us along w many other origin ones are recognised as 'fakers' by singlets and fellow systems alike. all because we don't fit in with community standards. we know fully well we are plural no matter our origins, we KNOW we experience plurality in our everyday lives and i want to discuss my thoughts and confusion on this whole shebang as civilly as possible. we encourage all those who comment/reblog to uphold civility and politeness aswell - no nastiness here please! this'll hopefully be a genuine safe space in the plural community for EVERYBODY that interacts.

we don't get why many people in the plural community are so keen to show hatred against fellow plurals all because of them not having formed from trauma. hell, we've questioned this since we first discovered we were plural at all nearly 2 years ago now but for many months we held these questions in due to fear of being harassed or seen as horrible. for over a year, we always wondered things like "what makes endos 'bad' exactly?" but just stuck to the community status quo. i HATE how we were kept in the dark about the truth of plurality for so long but now we want to put our knowledge into words.

we believe that plurality is inherently simple in its definition and complex in its existence. the base for plurality is this simple: have your body shared by two or more beings within. everything else is all unique details exclusive to each plural person(s); it's what makes plurality stunning.

what's sad is that others don't see it this way. they view it as an existence where every plural brain is expected to abide by some medical words on a page written by somebody, where "no two systems are the same" but only in the bounds of these decided rules. if your existence goes beyond these rules, you're treated with disrespect and see yourself across so many dnis all because you exist the way you do.

it's too often we come across an account and check for a dni only to find 'dni endos + supporters' and then moving away from that users page, wondering "why do you hate people you've likely never met? what have they done to you?"

in reality, the plural community overall feels too restricting. expectations on existing a certain way surround you wherever you go which is ironic with how genuinely complex plurality is. it's something you CANNOT properly put into a box or two; the existence of being plural is incredibly vast with basically ENDLESS possibilities. no two systems are the same and we mean it, every little detail of your system besides sharing a body with a second being or multiple will be unique to YOU. no other system would be able to achieve exactly what you and your others have. it makes plurality beautiful, honestly.

this whole topic is why we want to use this opportunity, especially during a time of coming together to rejoice with one another. we want to bring the plural community together a bit more and take steps towards breaking down the walls we've built. walls of hatred, fear, uncertainty. walls that make you fear the unknown and be hostile if it comes close. walls that shun curiousity and being open-minded, that shun taking opportunities and even risks, that shun learning and growing as people.

on this post, we ask that if you're plural in ANY way at all, that you make a simple introduction for yourselves and perhaps share the story of what it's like to live with your plurality!

this is designed ideally to break away at anti-endo ideology and finally have those folks properly meet us non-traumagenic and non-disordered systems directly to know the truth about everything there is to know. this is to communicate who we are to eachother and stop huddling in closed off circles of fear online. this is to rebuild a community that is supposed to be welcoming for EVERYONE INVOLVED, not just one type of system.

everyone is encouraged to interact with others who've introduced themselves in the comments and reblogs, to ask and answer both simple and difficult questions, to properly practice civility even if you eventually scroll past not fully understanding how a system can exist as this or that but also with knowing you can respect everyone anyway and won't police others for things they don't have control over. you're welcome here to ask other systems stuff about themselves, answer questions others give you and ESPECIALLY to make new friends and bring things to eye level! help make others realise the truth about what it's like to exist outside the status quo instead of just going off what others say about you considering they likely wouldn't have met you up until now!

i'm both nervous and excited to see if this can bring people together, im entrusting all of you to work together to not only break down walls here but in more corners of the internet with this. to finish off the post, i (the host Scott) have drawn a few of our headmates celebrating christmas :]

[we're introject heavy wahoo ✌️]

OKAY with all that being said and done, you've finished with the ramble! please go on and interact with the post, reblog it and reshare it with as many people as you can! this is a big goal i have and if it gets pulled off, i feel we can all start to make spectacular feats to move forward and evolve. once again, thank you so, so much. we love you all <3 /p

PEACE OUT, GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL ♥️

[fagsystem]

1. If you wish to learn more about trauma and dissociative disorders, I can begin to point you in the right direction.

Did-research.org is absolutely the best starting point. It is an accessible collection of information, and it also provides the citation for where it got the information so you can do further reading.

Google scholar is a good place to go looking for articles. It is hit or miss with what you can find that is not behind a paywall, and not everything there is reputable I will warn, but that is the best place to go in our experience.

I would recommend looking up the studies on brain scans about DID and see how DID impacts the brain structure. That is so important to understand why things are the way they are in this disorder. All of our symptoms are all manifestations of these alterations in our brain structure. A lot more about our experiences has begun to make sense since then.

2. As for better communication skills when discoursing online, if you get any idea of how to do that, please let me know. (/srs)

I will say that what could probably help is putting definitions of how you will be using terms somewhere. Either at the start or end of a post, or another post you can link to. Shit, maybe I should start doing that.

Like the biggest point of miscommunication we see is people defining terms differently. For example, anti endos use endo as synonymous with not having DID/OSDD, and pro endos use endo to mean any system who believes their origin is from something other than trauma regardless of if they have DID/OSDD.

Also, before engaging somewhere, make sure you have fully considered what the other person has said. What did they mean by what they said? What did they actually say? What are you trying to do by engaging with this?

For example, when we see people say 'you can't have DID if you don't have trauma'. Is that right? Yes. Is the phrasing harmful? Also yes. In cases like that, if we were to engage, we'd make sure we emphasise that we aren't disagreeing with them, but instead educating them that saying it like that can hurt DID systems in denial about trauma.

3. We are actually pretty good at this, but unfortunately it is something that I can't really tell you how to do. It's all feelings based really.

My biggest suggestion is to ask yourself before engaging, 'Is this a troll?' If so, don't engage. If not, ask yourself, 'What am I hoping to achieve by engaging? Is it possible for me to actually achieve that?' For example, if the hope is educating them, and they are very unlikely to be educated, maybe don't interact.

We also find making posts like, 'This person is clearly a troll,' or correcting the misinformation without engaging directly can help with that. That way you can still say what you want to without engaging.

I was curious: we hear a lot about what anti endos and pro endos need to learn.

What do you wish syscourse unaligned folks such as yourself would learn?

hm, this is interesting!

we guess we’d say to other syscourse unaligned folks, that people identify the way they do for a multitude of reasons. just because someone is pro endo doesn’t mean they support misinformation or want to demedicalize cdds. and just because someone is anti endo doesn’t mean they don’t believe endogenic plurality exists or think all endo systems are either traumatized or faking.

we wish everyone involved in syscourse (ourselves included!) would treat system discussion with the nuance it deserves and with a willingness to hear out those with different perspectives.

and what we’d personally like to learn?

- definitely more about trauma and dissociative disorders, how they manifest and present, and how to treat them (for our own healing journey more than for syscourse, but it could be useful)

- better communication skills when it comes to discoursing online and voicing our opinions and beliefs

- when to stop interacting, take a step back, or block those who are unwilling to participate in good faith discussions (this is a big one for us)

we hope this answers your question? thanks for reaching out!

[demoisverysexy]

I literally follow fagonite. I like the furry art. I dont go out of my way to engage in this discourse. This is my first time speaking my mind in this issue really. I only did so because it popped up onto my dash and I felt the need to respond because a blog I like said something I found hurtful. And I seriously doubt people like me are what is making medical professionals doubt plural experiences, I think that people are just bigoted against plural folks regardless of their origins.

You ask me to show you where Heart attacked anyone. I think claiming all tulpamancers are just weird fandom obsessed folks hypnotizing themselves into going apeshit is an attack, and a pretty insulting one at that. Not to mention denying the existence of endo systems is insulting to people who identify with the label. A lot of the language in Hearts post is similarly combative. Not to mention that even though Heart made the post on her own blog, that doesnt mean other people cant see and respond to it.

I accept your critique that I put words into Hearts mouth about DID being only able to be diagnosed by a doctor. I apologize for that. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

Moving on, Heart did gatekeep plurality. She's trying to say some people arent allowed to claim that label. I am opposed to that gatekeeping here.

I fail to see how anything I've said here is racist. If youre equating cultural appropriation with racism, I can see that better, but Im not doing that either. I think I made it clear that the ideas that make up tulpamancy have existed in many cultures across time. More, tulpamancy didnt even involve the word tulpa originally. The history of the modern tulpamancy movement is complicated and interesting, and arises from a multitude of sources. I imagine youre not interested in that history though. If you want us to use a different term, that could probably be arranged (Daemon is one, based on the Amber Spyglass novels) but I dont personally think its necessary. Not all cultural exchange is cultural appropriation, even religious cultural exchange.

I didnt say that DID systems dont have DID, just that plurality is not reducible to DID. I think thats a weird gotcha against someone who is pro endo and pro tulpa. And more, while PTSD cannot be cured, it can be dealt with and managed to the point where it doesnt negatively affect people anymore. So too with DID and other trauma based dissociative disorders. And Im more trying to avoid the idea that plurality is, at the end of the day, dependant upon the existence of trauma. I think defining it in those terms is unhelpful, as is assuming that those in the medical industry who hate plural folks seriously care about the differences between "legitimate" plurality and endogenic and tulpa-based systems.

And no, I havent seen any good reasons from you to disbelieve in peoples experiences. Not in this post at least.

(please nobody harass or threaten anybody involved in this post, if you do you get blocked, thanks. Also if anyone involved in this post does get harassed, lmk so I can block them)

ppl who think the term sysmed is genuinely a worthwhile term that should be used are so fucking hilarious

[navelgazed]

That's what frustrates me about syscourse in general, I think. I am firmly pro-endo and critical of psychiatry because we know that those are issues that still need to be fixed, and the general consensus I keep seeing among people that are anti-endo and sysmedicalist is that no, we can't criticize psychiatry because it's perfect, and if you dare have any other ideas about your own origins, you're somehow being ableist. You can see it in the way they treat the empowered multiple movement, as though those systems didn't have perfectly valid reasons for doing what they did, as though many of them were not being treated like garbage or being exploited by the psychiatric system.

We really, really hate how there's no way for you to say 'actually, there are valid reasons why someone might not want to engage with the psychiatric system' without getting wildly criticized for no reason.

We were never forcibly institutionalized but like. We may have been if we had been open about our plurality before we turned 18. It is actually truly despicable how children and teens are treated like property in this country

[thecirculararchive]

Fair warning, todays a “three hours of sleep” day so I’m not gonna be on my best behavior

This looks wild. And while I like the idea, I think it’s a bit too convoluted - which makes sense. This is a convoluted topic.

And it feels like, in the end, everything SHOULD boil down to endo, pro endo, anti endo, or endo neutral. But it really doesn’t work like that, because people are so unique and varied that labels like these just. Don’t fucking work.

Am I anti, neutral, or pro? Apparently a hot fucking topic seeing as I am called all three of these things on a regular basis. Literally an entire argument yesterday on my board at people refusing to believe me as endo neutral. But how the fuck else should I define myself?

At the moment, the best term I’ve found to replace “sysmed” is “Exclusys.” Which to me, is still not a good word, because of two things:

1. Sometimes exclusion is good. Radically inclusive spaces are usually incredibly toxic, and in the case of medical disorders, Endogenics SHOULD be excluded from the discussion of OSDD / DID. Deeming any anti-endo as an “Exclusys” not only doesn’t get to the heart of the problem, but it puts a negative spin on excluding people who shouldn’t be part of the party in the first place.

2. Exclusys really just doesn’t describe what people want it to describe. Because “sysmed” stopped being “anti-endos who use TERF logic” a very long time ago. I have seen brand new users called sysmeds simply for reblogging an anti-endo post. I see innocent asks sent to new blogs of “are you a sysmed?” Sysmed at this point has come to be equivalent to anti-endo - regardless of if that reason is even anti-endo or not!! Me, who believes Endogenics exist, am repeatedly called a sysmed, simply because I would like evidence. Note: I don’t need evidence proving endogenic existence. Already believe in it!! I just would like some research.

Bleh. That’s a lot of words and no good solutions. And i think it’s cause there is no good solution. There’s no nice label to put on anti-endos because anti-endo isn’t even a good label. Overall, people just gotta stop labeling and have conversations with humans. I feel like a bunch of people on tumblr are having conversations as *labels* instead of as people.

Maybe Term Post

We’re one of those endogenic systems that really doesn’t care for the term “sysmed” and the way it’s used it on others…we can definitely see how some anti-endos warrant the comparison (to a degree), but it still doesn’t feel fair to use it anyway (most have valid reasons for not wanting to be called sysmeds), and there’s a bunch of issues with it that make it near-impossible for systems like ours to use it. So I’ve been brainstorming some replacement terms for “sysmed” and other sides in the syscourse, made specifically for the plural and DID/OSDD-1 community to use when referring to their stances. They’re not going to be based off terminologies from other communities since they’re designed to be more neutral-sounding and less inflammatory. I hope it doesn’t make the discourse worse in syscourse… but that’s why I’m gauging whether there’s interest in new terms beforehand.  If you’re interested in some new terms for describing sides in syscourse (hopefully with more nuance) interact with this post, preferably with your thoughts on any possible new terms? Anyone can reblog, I’m open to all constructive opinions and thoughts. Will be my choice in the end as to whether I post them (due to a handful of factors) but this will let me know if people are interested in them anyway. Note that they may also sound a bit silly when first proposed, but hey, I tried